tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7633265628054619928.post7978664862270130529..comments2023-10-31T16:05:58.638+00:00Comments on Broken Trails: THE ROMANI IN AMERICARayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18154296143024548830noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7633265628054619928.post-5795745987320775952016-02-01T17:11:37.387+00:002016-02-01T17:11:37.387+00:00In old books, Gypsies in early America were often ...In old books, Gypsies in early America were often called Vagabundos and Jews were called non believers. Jews were traveling merchants. Gypsies would show up at a homestead offering to help in exchange to camp in the homesteaders land. Don't forget the mixed Gypsies of Europe. I had a mixed Gypsy ancestor from Poland. My paternal great grandfather who came here late 1880's was mixed Polish Gypsy and Catholic but keep it hidden. Only his immediate family knew about it. He immigrated to Pennsylvania where a family member lived. My great grandfather's ancestor's last name was Sinta. My DNA shows 20% eastern Europe on my father's Polish gypsy side. The rest central Europe and the most great Britain on my mother's side and 2% Finland also from my mother's side. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7633265628054619928.post-33590511715720462172011-05-06T12:27:28.256+01:002011-05-06T12:27:28.256+01:00You got some of the Romany family surnames correct...You got some of the Romany family surnames correct, but you left out many very important one's. <br /><br />Lock(e), Smith, Lee, Stanley, Cooper, Burton, Ingram, Bailey, Campbell, Lovell, Loveridge, Bryers, Jones, Harrison, Joles, Whorton / Worton, Broadway, Birch / Burch, Palmer, Wells, Rigley, Faa, Jeffrey / Jeffries, Glover, Welsh, Young, Green, Woods, Shaw, Small, Buckland, Buckley, Ayres, Holmes, Evans, Butler, <br /><br />Here is my research on the 1850-1900 British Romanichal migration to the USA in case you are interested. <br /><br />http://home.comcast.net/~lockeroots/GypsyCensusRecords.htmlDGLockehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12435094324876530804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7633265628054619928.post-73228652957623237602011-05-06T09:28:30.176+01:002011-05-06T09:28:30.176+01:00Multiple branches of the Romanichal Lock family en...Multiple branches of the Romanichal Lock family ended up in Texas. <br />The first to make that migration was George Francis Lock who was in Collin County Texas by 1860 but was in Texas by 1853. <br /><br />One of George's descendants is named in the Texas Hand Book of famous Texan's, William Wayne "Rusty" Locke. What the historians fail to tell you is, Rusty Locke was a British Romanichal descendant! <br /><br />Part of the Missouri Lock family who were well known in the horse trade, who raised Race Horses, migrated to Texas as well and one of their horses is known as <br />Texas Chief owned by William W. Lock a cousin to my ancestor George Francis Lock. <br /><br />7 Lock(e) male cousins have DNA tested, 6 in the USA one in England, all 7 carry Y Haplo Group H1a with the 425 = 0 marker mutation, proving their Romany origins. <br /><br />The Locke cousin in England is a direct descendant of Henry Lock, father of Matthew Lock who married Memberance Boswell.DGLockehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12435094324876530804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7633265628054619928.post-16966702542725229332011-05-06T09:18:51.964+01:002011-05-06T09:18:51.964+01:00I can help answer some of the questions.
Yes in f...I can help answer some of the questions. <br />Yes in fact there were Romanichals in the American Colonies as early as the 1670's on through the early 1700's. <br /><br />Faa also known under the Fall and Faw surnames, Baillie were clearly in the American Colonies between the 1670's - 1690's era, and in Virginia! <br /><br />But they were not alone! <br />Lock(e), Ingram, Campbell families were some of the early Romany Colonials as well! <br />And that isn't speculation, that is genetic proof! <br /><br />Lock(e), Ingram, Bailey, Campbell, Boswell, Burton, Stanley, Lee male lineages, Romany male lineages in fact of England, Scotland, USA, Australia have all DNA tested for the Romany DNA project, and all were found carrying a rare <br />Asian Indian Y Haplo Group H1a, and most of those surnames who tested at a high enough marker level, were also found to carry the exact same marker mutation, known as marker 425 = 0, null value. <br /><br />Interestingly, Carter and Ruffin suranmes who are Virginia plantation slave descendants are also found carrying Haplo H1a and are a gentic match to the Romanichal's! Carter and Ruffin maybe living proof Romany were forced in to slavery and from Virginia plantations! <br /><br />Lock was in Calvert County Maryland by 1728, likely in the Colonies by 1715, and migrated to old Frederick County Virginia by 1755. <br /><br />Ingram was in Pittsylvania County Virginia around the 1770's - 1790's era. <br /><br />There appears to be two branches of Baillie / Bailey. One from Virginia, and one from South Carolinia. Both of whom also carry <br />Y Haplo H1a. <br /><br />If anyone would like more information on my Romany research, please feel free to contact me directly at lockeroots@comcast.net<br />Donald LockeDonaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7633265628054619928.post-6173351009701852992011-05-06T09:08:20.099+01:002011-05-06T09:08:20.099+01:00I can help answer some of the questions.
Yes in f...I can help answer some of the questions. <br />Yes in fact there were Romanichals in the American Colonies as early as the 1670's on through the early 1700's. <br /><br />Faa also known under the Fall and Faw surnames, Baillie were clearly in the American Colonies between the 1670's - 1690's era, and in Virginia! <br /><br />But they were not alone! <br />Lock(e), Ingram, Campbell families were some of the early Romany Colonials as well! <br />And that isn't speculation, that is genetic proof! <br /><br />Lock(e), Ingram, Bailey, Campbell, Boswell, Burton, Stanley, Lee male lineages, Romany male lineages in fact of England, Scotland, USA, Australia have all DNA tested for the Romany DNA project, and all were found carrying a rare <br />Asian Indian Y Haplo Group H1a, and most of those surnames who tested at a high enough marker level, were also found to carry the exact same marker mutation, known as marker 425 = 0, null value. <br /><br />Interestingly, Carter and Ruffin suranmes who are Virginia plantation slave descendants are also found carrying Haplo H1a and are a gentic match to the Romanichal's! Carter and Ruffin maybe living proof Romany were forced in to slavery and from Virginia plantations! <br /><br />Lock was in Calvert County Maryland by 1728, likely in the Colonies by 1715, and migrated to old Frederick County Virginia by 1755. <br /><br />Ingram was in Pittsylvania County Virginia around the 1770's - 1790's era. <br /><br />There appears to be two branches of Baillie / Bailey. One from Virginia, and one from South Carolinia. Both of whom also carry <br />Y Haplo H1a. <br /><br />If anyone would like more information on my Romany research, please feel free to contact me directly at lockeroots@comcast.net<br />Donald LockeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7633265628054619928.post-84140804985245244412011-02-27T02:00:47.579+00:002011-02-27T02:00:47.579+00:00I would be very interested. I'm not sure about...I would be very interested. I'm not sure about the Nicholson name but the family I referred to belongs to someone's family tree. Although I contacted him he never replied.<br />May I suggest you send me your e-mail address via a comment? As I monitor all comments you can be assured that it won't be published.Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18154296143024548830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7633265628054619928.post-73535906460519609662011-02-26T15:58:01.508+00:002011-02-26T15:58:01.508+00:00Ever heard of the name "Nicholson"? They...Ever heard of the name "Nicholson"? They went from South Carolina to Georgia/Alabama and even back and forth to Texas. There's additional information that I would be willing to provide by private email.Paul Hossehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17834657045035851902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7633265628054619928.post-90329583622829737612011-02-26T01:46:34.989+00:002011-02-26T01:46:34.989+00:00Believe so - Scamp was one family. There was anoth...Believe so - Scamp was one family. There was another that went from one of the Carolinas into Georgia during the gold rush at that time.<br />This is a history that has not been fully documented and a lot of my own information has come from researching something unrelated.<br />Texas does have a gypsy organisation though.Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18154296143024548830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7633265628054619928.post-84088827364855946892011-02-25T16:01:36.265+00:002011-02-25T16:01:36.265+00:00Ray,
To South Carolina prior to the 1830's as...Ray,<br /><br />To South Carolina prior to the 1830's as well?Paul Hossehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17834657045035851902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7633265628054619928.post-10959767595675645332011-02-24T22:19:15.567+00:002011-02-24T22:19:15.567+00:00English records show Romani Gypsies amongst those ...English records show Romani Gypsies amongst those transported to the US in the late 1600s.<br />Although most stuff that I have read is vague an educated guess would put them as deep as Georgia.<br />Apart from those transported I have since learned that some families came, of their own free will, to the US prior to the 1850s.<br />Horse and cattle trading would be quite a lure.<br />The Irish Travellers were a seperate breed.Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18154296143024548830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7633265628054619928.post-74182908128114863982011-02-24T20:52:50.412+00:002011-02-24T20:52:50.412+00:00When did the Romani first appear in the US? Where ...When did the Romani first appear in the US? Where there any in the US South during the early 1800's?Paul Hossehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17834657045035851902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7633265628054619928.post-57079557762039506752011-02-24T20:51:31.189+00:002011-02-24T20:51:31.189+00:00When did the Romani first appear in North America?...When did the Romani first appear in North America? Where there any in the US South during the early 1800's?Paul Hossehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17834657045035851902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7633265628054619928.post-88990473769475152972010-07-24T22:08:44.189+01:002010-07-24T22:08:44.189+01:00Thanks for enlightening this American about the Ro...Thanks for enlightening this American about the Romany and their language. It was never brought up in any history class I attended.Oscar Casehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10328166606910469945noreply@blogger.com